You’re very welcome. We must question everything we hear and discuss things with our loved ones. I have my sisters in this conversation as well. It is not an easy decision to make. It’s not like I’m working in a small office setting. I’m working around a lot of people.
I totally understand and above all else love that you posted two points of view - dr been is fantastic. I also completely empathize with the situation with your mom. I literally get deflated when I saw I could get omicron again. I felt like I was over it after I had omicron. I think we need to have our emergency packs ready in case we get sick - and for our parents and try to live as best we can while taking care. Do you follow FLCCC? They have a protocol I used when I had Covid. Thanks again!
It was very deflating yesterday to see that natural immunity could be a complete myth and we must even question that now. I do follow the FLCCC to a large degree, but I’m going to once again have medication on hand, just in case. I already have plenty of IVM on hand and some HCQ, but I need to get a few more items.
"I need to tell her the latest data (I’m very pro-data) and I need to explain to her this possibility that I could get Covid again in the next few weeks with being around thousands of people and I could spread it to her."
Hopefully this will take some of the fearful guilt away and leave you with some appreciation for the fact that for all the known possibilities there are an infinite number of possibilities that never crossed your mind.
First we need to acknowledge we will all die and the how, when and where are the only unknowns. If we are luck it will be painless and taken from the arms of a loved one to the arms of the angels. My true love and partner of 20 years left with our youngest, age eight, snuggled beside him in Lazy Boy watching a video, ending a seven year battle with a rare acute leukemia.
We began with less than 10% chance of him living more than 90 days and made medical history along the way with an incredible research team at Fred HUTCH and our own nutritional therapies included.
By the end it was 11 rounds of chemo, full body radiation, monoclonal radiation, bone marrow. stem cell and T-cell transplants.. a one in a million, near death, allergic reaction to Rifampin and virtually unseen case of graft v host called BOOP diagnosed w emergency airlift of tissue samples.. the steroids for that began a rapid downhill race.
In the beginning it was totally overwhelming and terrifying, what he thought was a case of mono wasn't and forever changed the course of our life. One of the "rules" that came with all the "therapy" aimed to destroy his immune system was no intimate contact. From the outset his position was I'd rather die of something from making love to my wife than any of the toxic sh*t doctors give me.
My mind was hardly as clear as his but our natural chemistry and rebellious spirits prevailed. There were a few scares in the early weeks post BMT and each time my mind reeled with the possibilities that my have originated with me but each case was another cause which was more consolation than vindication for that little voice in my head.
Then we got word of his golfing buddy of who was trimming a tree and fell from the ladder; instantly he was a quadriplegic. Something about that made me understand that all we have is now and no matter what we do to protect ourselves and the folks we love, chance has its own role. All we can do is find the joy and share the love and if the final chapter is with them so much the better.
All along the way there were things to worry about. When we got back to our home outside Chicago after 8 months in Seattle all three kiddies picked up chicken pox which was a high threats. Caring folks at Red Cross charged us $385 cash only for gamma-globulin to get through that. I've come to appreciate that for all the knowns to worry about there are many more likely outcomes so shed the guilt and share the love that also makes immune boosting endorphins!! Hope that helps <3
I think there is some confusion as to what natural immunity means. It doesn't necessarily mean you cannot get an infection again (e.g. as the virus mutates). It does, however, limit its severity and duration, based on all the available evidence.
A natural infection to SARS cov2 exposes your immune system to all the proteins, not just the spike. Many of these non-spike proteins are inside the membrane and will not be seen until the virus replicates enough (e.g. the nucleocapsid), hence causing an infection. The crucial aspect here is that many of these non-spike proteins are functionally constrained, meaning any significant mutation would inhibit the virus' ability to reproduce. This is unlike the spike which can mutate more freely without negative consequences (for the virus). Functionally constrained proteins are key to cross-variant protection/immune recognition in the long run.
Now, from everything I've read, if you had an initial natural infection that was cleared via the innate immune system you would have some adaptation/learning there but induction of a Bcell/Tcell memory (adaptive). If the infection gets past the innate defenses you will develop learning of the innate system as well as Bcell/Tcell memory responses. However, the latter are immature (occurring after the virus has been dealt with the first time) and they will only mature upon re-exposure to the virus or one of its variants.
Re-exposure is therefore, absolutely necessary to allow "updates" to the immune system. A reinfection, or the degree of reinfection in that case hinges on the degree of exposure you got the first time as well as many other things (like your own body). Testing positive for a second time on a PCR is pretty irrelevant. How you immune system deals with a second go-around will also affect whether you are capable of spreading it to others, as a more complex natural immune response is significantly more sterilizing than the current mRNA/DNA transfections.
On a more philosophical and personal note. I took measures I thought would be the most useful to me during this time but I never expected anything from anyone else. I can ultimately only take responsibility for my own existence. I got covid recently. It was very unpleasant (despite good health and fitness) and if it were to take me out again, so be it (though pretty unlikely). However, I still don't care if others are vaxxed, boosted or whatever. Just don't force it on me.
Unfortunately, people want guarantees, from their 'vaccines', their treatments, their mask-wearing etc... and we can see how THAT has worked out.
Your news is just awful. No one should be going through the pain and suffering that you are. What are your options going forward if you become infected again?
The FLCCC recommendations are very good especially using a nasal rinse squirt bottle when you come home. See the recommendations they say something about iodine, etc. But the solution that comes with the rinse bottle works too. That will reduce the amount of virus in your nose which will reduce the severity of your illness along with the vitamins and getting outside.
You can’t stop a virus. COVID is everywhere and is so tiny you won’t be able to prevent catching or spreading it but you and your mom can reduce the amount of virus you contract.
Catching all of the hundreds of viruses that are in circulation is important to maintaining a strong immune system. Getting outside and circulating among people is important for your immune system to be strong.
Thank you for your honesty. It’s refreshing.
You’re very welcome. We must question everything we hear and discuss things with our loved ones. I have my sisters in this conversation as well. It is not an easy decision to make. It’s not like I’m working in a small office setting. I’m working around a lot of people.
I totally understand and above all else love that you posted two points of view - dr been is fantastic. I also completely empathize with the situation with your mom. I literally get deflated when I saw I could get omicron again. I felt like I was over it after I had omicron. I think we need to have our emergency packs ready in case we get sick - and for our parents and try to live as best we can while taking care. Do you follow FLCCC? They have a protocol I used when I had Covid. Thanks again!
It was very deflating yesterday to see that natural immunity could be a complete myth and we must even question that now. I do follow the FLCCC to a large degree, but I’m going to once again have medication on hand, just in case. I already have plenty of IVM on hand and some HCQ, but I need to get a few more items.
Same! This is definitely a very odd virus.
"I need to tell her the latest data (I’m very pro-data) and I need to explain to her this possibility that I could get Covid again in the next few weeks with being around thousands of people and I could spread it to her."
Hopefully this will take some of the fearful guilt away and leave you with some appreciation for the fact that for all the known possibilities there are an infinite number of possibilities that never crossed your mind.
First we need to acknowledge we will all die and the how, when and where are the only unknowns. If we are luck it will be painless and taken from the arms of a loved one to the arms of the angels. My true love and partner of 20 years left with our youngest, age eight, snuggled beside him in Lazy Boy watching a video, ending a seven year battle with a rare acute leukemia.
We began with less than 10% chance of him living more than 90 days and made medical history along the way with an incredible research team at Fred HUTCH and our own nutritional therapies included.
By the end it was 11 rounds of chemo, full body radiation, monoclonal radiation, bone marrow. stem cell and T-cell transplants.. a one in a million, near death, allergic reaction to Rifampin and virtually unseen case of graft v host called BOOP diagnosed w emergency airlift of tissue samples.. the steroids for that began a rapid downhill race.
In the beginning it was totally overwhelming and terrifying, what he thought was a case of mono wasn't and forever changed the course of our life. One of the "rules" that came with all the "therapy" aimed to destroy his immune system was no intimate contact. From the outset his position was I'd rather die of something from making love to my wife than any of the toxic sh*t doctors give me.
My mind was hardly as clear as his but our natural chemistry and rebellious spirits prevailed. There were a few scares in the early weeks post BMT and each time my mind reeled with the possibilities that my have originated with me but each case was another cause which was more consolation than vindication for that little voice in my head.
Then we got word of his golfing buddy of who was trimming a tree and fell from the ladder; instantly he was a quadriplegic. Something about that made me understand that all we have is now and no matter what we do to protect ourselves and the folks we love, chance has its own role. All we can do is find the joy and share the love and if the final chapter is with them so much the better.
All along the way there were things to worry about. When we got back to our home outside Chicago after 8 months in Seattle all three kiddies picked up chicken pox which was a high threats. Caring folks at Red Cross charged us $385 cash only for gamma-globulin to get through that. I've come to appreciate that for all the knowns to worry about there are many more likely outcomes so shed the guilt and share the love that also makes immune boosting endorphins!! Hope that helps <3
I think there is some confusion as to what natural immunity means. It doesn't necessarily mean you cannot get an infection again (e.g. as the virus mutates). It does, however, limit its severity and duration, based on all the available evidence.
A natural infection to SARS cov2 exposes your immune system to all the proteins, not just the spike. Many of these non-spike proteins are inside the membrane and will not be seen until the virus replicates enough (e.g. the nucleocapsid), hence causing an infection. The crucial aspect here is that many of these non-spike proteins are functionally constrained, meaning any significant mutation would inhibit the virus' ability to reproduce. This is unlike the spike which can mutate more freely without negative consequences (for the virus). Functionally constrained proteins are key to cross-variant protection/immune recognition in the long run.
Now, from everything I've read, if you had an initial natural infection that was cleared via the innate immune system you would have some adaptation/learning there but induction of a Bcell/Tcell memory (adaptive). If the infection gets past the innate defenses you will develop learning of the innate system as well as Bcell/Tcell memory responses. However, the latter are immature (occurring after the virus has been dealt with the first time) and they will only mature upon re-exposure to the virus or one of its variants.
Re-exposure is therefore, absolutely necessary to allow "updates" to the immune system. A reinfection, or the degree of reinfection in that case hinges on the degree of exposure you got the first time as well as many other things (like your own body). Testing positive for a second time on a PCR is pretty irrelevant. How you immune system deals with a second go-around will also affect whether you are capable of spreading it to others, as a more complex natural immune response is significantly more sterilizing than the current mRNA/DNA transfections.
On a more philosophical and personal note. I took measures I thought would be the most useful to me during this time but I never expected anything from anyone else. I can ultimately only take responsibility for my own existence. I got covid recently. It was very unpleasant (despite good health and fitness) and if it were to take me out again, so be it (though pretty unlikely). However, I still don't care if others are vaxxed, boosted or whatever. Just don't force it on me.
Unfortunately, people want guarantees, from their 'vaccines', their treatments, their mask-wearing etc... and we can see how THAT has worked out.
Your news is just awful. No one should be going through the pain and suffering that you are. What are your options going forward if you become infected again?
The FLCCC recommendations are very good especially using a nasal rinse squirt bottle when you come home. See the recommendations they say something about iodine, etc. But the solution that comes with the rinse bottle works too. That will reduce the amount of virus in your nose which will reduce the severity of your illness along with the vitamins and getting outside.
You can’t stop a virus. COVID is everywhere and is so tiny you won’t be able to prevent catching or spreading it but you and your mom can reduce the amount of virus you contract.
Catching all of the hundreds of viruses that are in circulation is important to maintaining a strong immune system. Getting outside and circulating among people is important for your immune system to be strong.